Jonathan Karl: The White House Chaos Is Worse This Time

Tim Miller interviews Jonathan Karl, ABC News' chief Washington correspondent and author of "Retribution: Donald Trump and the Campaign that Changed America." They discuss the skepticism surrounding Trump's promise to release the Epstein files, contrasting it with his past actions and motivations. The conversation explores the broader issue of distrust in official sources and the challenges of reporting in an era of widespread conspiracy theories. They delve into Trump's behavior, both public and private, including his interactions with the press and his mental state, referencing anecdotes from Karl's book. The discussion also covers potential corruption in a second Trump administration, touching on figures like Boris Epstein and Susie Wiles, and concludes with a look at the strained relationship between Biden and Obama, as well as a preview of Miller's upcoming interview with Kamala Harris.