Patti Smith on the One Desire That Lasts Forever

In this episode of The Ezra Klein Show, Ezra interviews Patti Smith, delving into her childhood connection with nature and art, particularly her encounter with a tortoise and her transformative experience with Picasso's art. They discuss the concept of "shamanistic" performance, her father's influence on her intellectual development, and her early reading experiences, including the impact of darker fairy tales and the Old Testament. Smith reflects on the artistic scene in New York City in the late 60s, the importance of cheap housing and freedom for artists, and the cultural significance of art during that era. The conversation shifts to her decision to leave fame behind, her creative process, and the meaning of "rebel hump," ending with her definition of the soul and book recommendations.