15 Nov 2025
1h 14m

#1020 - Jessica Baum - Why We Fall for the Wrong People

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Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson interviews Jessica Baum, a psychotherapist, about her book "Safe," which focuses on attachment theory, relationships, and healing from past traumas. They discuss the concept of safety in relationships, how early childhood experiences shape adult attachment styles, and the challenges of vulnerability, especially for men. They explore protective strategies, the confusion between familiarity and safety, and the importance of emotional availability and co-regulation in healing. Baum provides practical advice on recognizing and addressing insecure attachment patterns, emphasizing the need for disconfirming experiences and the role of rupture and repair in building deeper intimacy within relationships. The conversation also touches on the limitations of self-help and the necessity of safe relationships in healing developmental trauma.

Outlines

Part 1: Introduction to Safety and Attachment

Part 2: Independence, Disconnection, and Societal Impact

Part 3: Memory, Patterns, and Childhood Wounds

Part 4: Healing and Relationships

Part 5: Practical Practices and Repair

Part 6: Conclusion and Resources

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