Is focusing on corrigibility our best shot at getting to ASI alignment?

Max Harms and Jeremy Gillen are current and former MIRI alignment researchers who both see superintelligent AI as an imminent extinction threat, but disagree about Max's proposal of Corrigibility as Singular Target (CAST).

Max thinks focusing on corrigibility is the most plausible path to build ASI without losing control and dying, while Jeremy is skeptical that attempting CAST would lead to better superintelligent AI behavior on a sufficiently early try.

We recorded a friendly debate to understand the crux of Max and Jeremy's disagreement. The conversation also doubles as a way to learn about Max's Corrigibility As Singular Target proposal.

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Plus: Max's New Book, Red Heart

Max just published Red Heart, a realistic sci-fi thriller that brings the corrigibility problem to life through a high-stakes Chinese government AI project.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and highly recommend it! The last 20 minutes of my conversation with Max are all about Red Heart.

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Outline:

(00:14) Is focusing on corrigibility our best shot at getting to ASI alignment?

(01:08) Video

(01:14) Podcast

(01:24) Plus: Maxs New Book, Red Heart

(01:55) Transcript

(01:58) Episode Preview

(13:32) Why Corrigibility Matters

(15:20) What's Your P(Doom)™

(20:42) Max's Case for Corrigibility

(23:46) Jeremy's Case Against Corrigibility

(26:21) Max's Mainline AI Scenario

(32:44) 4. Strategies: Alignment, Control, Corrigibility, Don't Build It

(41:53) Corrigibility vs HHH (Helpful, Harmless, Honest)

(47:31) Asimov's 3 Laws of Robotics

(52:45) Is Corrigibility a Coherent Concept?

(01:03:21) Corrigibility vs Shutdown-ability

(01:09:21) CAST: Corrigibility as Singular Target, Near Misses, Iterations

(01:19:20) Debating if Max is Over-Optimistic

(01:32:46) Debating if Corrigibility is the Best Target

(01:39:58) Would Max Work for Anthropic?

(01:42:37) Max's Modest Hopes

(02:02:35) Max's New Book: Red Heart

(02:21:52) Outro

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First published:
November 14th, 2025

Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/CsXAg8dHSgghDAoPx/ai-corrigibility-debate-max-harms-vs-jeremy-gillen

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“AI Corrigibility Debate: Max Harms vs. Jeremy Gillen” by Liron, Max Harms, Jeremy Gillen

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“AI Corrigibility Debate: Max Harms vs. Jeremy Gillen” by Liron, Max Harms, Jeremy Gillen