“There’s something very spiritually dark about the internet,” the author Paul Kingsnorth tells Ross Douthat in this week’s episode of “Interesting Times.” Kingsnorth warns against the expanding presence of technology in our lives and declares it “the war against human nature.”

00:06:10 - Defining "The Machine"
00:08:03 - Ecological vs. Spiritual Collapse
00:15:03 - The Case for Modernity
00:24:02 - The Four Ps of a Healthy Culture
00:28:39 - Collapse, Revival, and The Internet
00:34:05 - Thiel, Musk, and The Antichrist
00:42:37 - The Choice in 'Alexandria'
00:46:44 - How to Live Within The Machine

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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‘This Is the War Against Human Nature’

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

‘This Is the War Against Human Nature’