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10 Nov 2025
46m

OBSCURING THE CYCLE

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Grant's Current Yield Podcast

In this episode of Current Yield, Jim Grant and Evan Lorenz interview Dan Zwirn, CEO of Arena Investors, about the current state of leveraged finance and credit markets. They discuss the cyclical nature of investments, the obscuring of value diminution post-GFC, and the impact of irresponsible monetary and fiscal policies. Zwirn elaborates on the opportunities and risks in distressed debt, asset-based lending, and specialty finance, while also addressing concerns about private equity-owned insurance companies and the potential for unrecognized losses. The conversation explores the balance between risk and opportunity in a frothy marketplace, with Zwirn emphasizing the importance of being positioned correctly to capitalize on market dislocations.

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