28 Oct 2025
43m

Permission to play with Jacob Collier

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ReThinking

In this episode of "ReThinking," Adam Grant interviews Grammy Award-winning musician Jacob Collier about his innovative audience choir performances. Collier discusses the origins of his audience choirs, drawing inspiration from his mother's work as a conductor and emphasizing the importance of inclusivity and emotional connection through music. They explore the concept of "wiggledom," the power of collective singing, and how music can reveal inherent human qualities. Collier shares insights into audience dynamics, the role of dissonance in harmony, and his approach to arranging covers. The conversation touches on themes of play, joy, and the changing metrics of success in the music industry, highlighting Collier's unique perspective and his ability to create meaningful experiences through music.

Outlines

Part 1: Origins and Dynamics of Audience Choir

Part 2: Unlocking Expression and Musicality

Part 3: Permission, Passion, and Redefining Success

Part 4: Joy and the Vitality of Music

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