28 Aug 2022
53m

Persuasive communication and managing up | Wes Kao (Maven, Seth Godin, Section4)

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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

Effective professional growth and communication hinge on prioritizing actionable application over abstract theory. Wes Kao, co-founder of Maven, emphasizes the "super specific how," which requires writers and instructors to focus on practical execution rather than backstory. To maintain engagement in virtual environments, the "state change method" utilizes interactive tools like polls and breakout rooms to prevent audience fatigue. Managing up effectively involves proactively aligning with a manager's priorities and communicating trade-offs to protect bandwidth, rather than waiting for direction. Furthermore, observing "eyes light up" moments—where an audience shows genuine, visceral interest—provides critical data for refining pitches and content. By mastering these technical aspects of communication and prioritizing craft, professionals can build stronger trust, increase their impact, and deliver more rigorous, high-quality work.

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