#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, Joe interviews Mariana van Zeller, an investigative journalist, about her work covering black and gray markets around the world and her new podcast, "The Hidden Third." They discuss the challenges of reporting on illegal activities, the motivations of people involved in trafficking and scams, and the impact of these markets on the global economy. They delve into specific stories from Mariana's show "Trafficked," including counterfeit currency, the cartel presence in the U.S., and the opioid crisis, discussing potential solutions like decriminalization and the use of Ibogaine for addiction treatment. The conversation also touches on the divisive nature of politics and social media, immigration policies, and the importance of empathy and understanding in addressing complex social issues.