07 Aug 2025
46m

Coaching Team Topology

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Product Therapy

In this episode of Product Therapy, Christian Idiodi interviews Marty Cagan, founder of SVPG, about team topology. They define team topology as the structure of product teams and their responsibilities, distinguishing it from org structure, which focuses on reporting relationships. The discussion covers optimizing team topology for outcomes versus velocity, balancing factors like customer alignment, architecture, cognitive load, and team chemistry. They explore symptoms of topology problems, such as dependencies, lack of trust, and feelings of insignificance, and emphasize that the head of product and head of engineering should jointly own team topology. They also discuss how to approach team topology in the context of AI and the importance of stable, durable teams, and the need to review and adjust the topology at least annually.

Outlines

Part 1: Introduction and Core Concepts

Part 2: Implementation and Adaptation

Part 3: Measuring Success and Overcoming Challenges

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