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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:44) CEO-CHRO Partnership Transformation

(02:23) The State of HR Leadership

(04:08) The HR Crisis Revealed

(05:20) The Root Cause Analysis

(06:58) Sponsors: Planful | Metaview

(10:00) The Anti-Empathy Argument

(12:45) HR Community Dysfunction

(14:21) The Gender Dynamics Truth

(15:28) Executive Team Toxicity Exposed

(17:13) The Politics Behind Dysfunction

(19:39) Beyond Meritocracy

(21:00) The Three Questions Framework

(21:54) The Anti-PIP Philosophy

(24:00) Direct Feedback That Works

(24:42) Wrap

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