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In this playful and provocative episode, Chris reunites with Jodie Cook—entrepreneur, author, and creative strategist—for a conversation about standing out, staying human, and showing up as your full self in a world ruled by conformity and AI.

They explore the cultural pressure to "be normal," the rise of copy-paste personal brands, and why weirdness might just be your most valuable asset. From LinkedIn anarchy to fitness-fueled discipline, Jodie and Chris unpack how to build a brand (and life) that actually reflects who you are—and how being real is sometimes the weirdest thing of all.