Today's episode examines friend of the pod/recurring guest Colleen McCreary's "CEO-VP of HR divorce rate" concept, sparked by a VC's call about his CEO's failed six-month relationship with a seasoned HR leader. Colleen, Kelli, and Nolan explore why traditional interviews miss critical compatibility issues, the tendency to let conflicts fester rather than address them early, and essential strategies for either salvaging these crucial partnerships or ending them professionally.

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KEEP UP WITH COLLEEN, NOLAN + KELLI ON LINKEDIN

Colleen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/colleenmccrearychiefpplofficer/

Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/

Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/

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LINKS:

Colleen’s Medium article on Founder CEO & Head of HR Divorce Rates:

https://medium.com/@colleenwheelermccreary/founder-ceo-head-of-hr-divorce-rates-c233c7fda7dc

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:28) The CEO-VP of HR Divorce Rate Post Origin Story

(03:34) Learning from LJ Brock & Brian Armstrong's Relationship

(04:13) What Interview Processes Miss: The Hard Stuff

(06:13) Colleen's Trigger: Counter-Offers as Extortion

(07:39) Why HR Leaders Need to Figure Things Out

(08:51) Asking About Traumas in the Interview Process

(09:32) Expecting Turbulence vs. Throwing in the Towel

(10:14) Sponsors: Planful and Metaview

(13:14) The Festering Problem: Avoiding vs. Addressing Issues

(16:05) Molehills vs. Mountains: Managing Founder Relationships

(18:06) Being a Filter, Not a Burden

(18:43) The LinkedIn Marriage Analogy

(20:35) Agency & Experience: First-Time Leaders vs. Veterans

(21:39) Earning the Right & Paying Your Dues

(23:52) Staying Misaligned: A Conscious Choice

(25:19) Amicable Divorces & Doing It Right

(26:10) Taking the High Road: Long-term Relationship Impact

(27:10) 30-Year Relationships Still Matter

(28:05) Wrap

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