On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross Douthat is joined by the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and an editor of America Magazine, to reflect on the legacy of Pope Francis and the challenges facing the next papacy.

02:20 The First Jesuit Pope
05:23 Google Translate and Exchanging Emails
06:05 The Visual Element of Francis’s Legacy
07:48 The Concrete Changes Made
16:19 Christian Sexual Ethics
25:22 The Church in the Modern World
27:14 What Kind of Leader Will the Next Pope Be?
31:57 The Latin Mass Controversy
34:54 What Draws People to Christianity?
39:21 What Holds Such a Diverse Church Together?
43:09 The Influence of the Pope and the Hierarchy
46:41 A Renewed Interest in Religion
48:30 The Church as a Field Hospital
49:13 What Father Martin Hopes to See in the Next Pope
49:59 Where Should the New Pope Go?
52:27 Who Will Be the Next Pope?

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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