In this episode

What goes us here - so where are we?
Where do we go, and how? (addressing stunt hacking)
We discuss how we can influence outcomes, without hand waving and endangering lives
What about truly understanding risk, versus ‘security stuff’?
Michael breaks out the “risk catnip”
Raf asks Haroon - “What are the 2-3 things security does right now, that we should just quit?”
We discuss some of the breakers that are turning into builders, and implications
With the rate of bad vastly outpacing the rate of good - what’s the solution?

Guest

Haroon Meer ( @haroonmeer ) - Haroon is an internationally acclaimed long-time industry insider and is working hard to change the "how we've always done it" dynamics. His talk "What got us here, won't get us there" is now world famous. He works over at Thinkst and does some pretty amazing things you should check out.

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DtSR Episode 178 - What Will Get Us There

Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast (DtSR)