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On the 12th day of the government shutdown, the Democratic congressional leaders went to the White House and proposed that the president reopen the government while the two sides ironed out differences on funding for a border wall. A couple of hours after that meeting, we spoke with Senator Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, about his newly emboldened approach and how he and Ms. Pelosi plan to stick together in a divided Washington. Guest: Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Senate minority leader. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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Chuck Schumer on the Wall, the Shutdown and the Era of Divided Government

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Chuck Schumer on the Wall, the Shutdown and the Era of Divided Government