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My guest today is Laura Nguyen, a burnout coach and author of Career Break Compass: Navigating Your Path to a Balanced Life Through Intentional Time Off. While her book focuses on taking career breaks by choice, we tackle a question that hits close to home for many creatives right now: What happens when the career break chooses you?

Laura and I delve into why even a lack of work can lead to burnout—how the uncertainty, panic, and self-doubt that follow job loss can weigh just as heavily as being overworked. We examine the root of this panic, often tied to feelings of shame and embarrassment, and how these emotions can intensify the experience.

In our conversation, Laura offers actionable steps to regain balance and a sense of purpose, even when downtime feels overwhelming. We also discuss why creatives are especially prone to burnout—exploring the emotional exhaustion, dissatisfaction, and self-imposed pressure. More importantly, Laura reveals the mindset shifts that can make a real difference in moving forward.

Whether you're navigating an unexpected break, feeling stuck, or simply looking for fresh perspectives on burnout, this episode is packed with insights to help you take your next step with clarity and intention.

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Here's What You'll Learn:

The moment of burnout recognition for both Zack and Laura and the important realization that these can teach us
How overwork and self-sacrifice is normalized and how they changed expectations
How to prioritize self-care in a way that's productive and meaningful
The difference between voluntary and involuntary career breaks
Why people can be burned out even when they're not working
How to get past the panic phase of an involuntary career break
The different types of burnout and where does creative burnout fit in
The different types of rests
Signs of burnout and Laura's burnout questionnaire
The personality types that are most prone to burnout and why creatives are among these
The definition of "purpose" according to Laura
What is the Judgment Backpack and how it helps manage your inner critic
What are Antigoals and how do they help you come up with your goals
What is a Career Matrix and how it can help you identify where to put your energy into next
Why it's essential to have a coach
How the power of community helps in the game of burnout

Useful Resources Mentioned:

Career Break Compass: Navigating Your Path to a Balanced Life Through Intentional Time Off - Laura Nguyen

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Guest Bio:

laura-nguyen-bio Laura Nguyen

Laura Nguyen is an experienced marketing executive and entrepreneur with an extensive background in data-driven marketing, digital marketing and communications for Fortune 500 companies. She is the founder of Solle Solutions, a marketing consultancy. Laura is also a certified executive coach, helping mid-career, high-achieving leaders go from burned out to balanced through her coaching program and online community.

Laura received her Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Science at Truman State University, and her Master in Business Administration from Rochester Institute of Technology. She lives in Des Moines, Iowa, with her family.

Show Credits:

This episode was edited by Curtis Fritsch, and the show notes were prepared by Debby Germino and published by Glen McNiel.

The original music in the opening and closing of the show is courtesy of Joe Trapanese (who is quite possibly one of the most talented composers on the face of the planet).

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