It’s been quite a year!

Kelli and Nolan bare it all in their 2024 wrap-up. Get their must-read books, binge-worthy podcasts, and raw personal journeys - including Kelly's identity crisis and Nolan's toughest year yet. Plus, hear why 2025 might be the year to go 'risk on' and why your company's headcount could be holding you back.

No fluff, just real talk from two HR leaders who've been there.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:53) Reflections on 2024

(07:24) Best of 2024 - Books

(11:13) Best of 2024 - Podcasts

(14:47) Sponsor: Metaview

(16:20) The Real Talk: Our Raw 2024 Stories

(19:16) Bold Predictions and Why 2025 Will Hit Different

(28:45) That’s a Wrap 🎁

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