Chinese President Xi Jinping has long touted the East's rise and the West's decline, the kind of thinking that's triggered his supporters to fantasize about a post-Western geopolitical order.

While it's indisputable that U.S. and European countries, which represent the foundational pillars of the Western system, have seen their power diminish in the post-Cold War era, there's little credible evidence of a full-blown collapse of Western influence.

Instead, King's College scholar Samir Puri argues in his new book "Westlessness," that the role of the West in the international system is changing and not going away.

Samir joins Eric & Cobus from London to discuss the emergence of a new, less Western global order.

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[GLOBAL SOUTH] Westlessness: A New Era Where the West Still Matters, Just Not as Much

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[GLOBAL SOUTH] Westlessness: A New Era Where the West Still Matters, Just Not as Much