Summary

In this episode, Andy Kaufman interviews Ryan Hawk, host of the Learning Leader podcast and author of the book The Score That Matters: Growing Excellence in Yourself and Those You Lead. They discuss the importance of valuing excellence and pursuing personal growth, as well as the dangers of comparing oneself to others and keeping score based on external metrics. They also explore the role of self-awareness and fear in leadership, and the importance of surrounding oneself with people who provide honest feedback. The conversation highlights the need for leaders to lead themselves first and develop transformational relationships.

Sound Bites

"The world isn't driven by jealousy, it's driven by envy."
"Leading yourself first is mandatory before you lead anybody else."
"Surround yourself with people who will give you honest feedback and be prepared to accept it."
"They don't care about your pants. They care about their pants."
"So if you're not ready to crush it, your business falls apart."
"The fear is fuel."
"How can I best serve these people? How can I give everything I got to help them to better their life?"

Chapters

00:00 Introduction
02:09 Start of Interview
02:42 You Have To Value Excellence To Develop It
03:42 How Ryan's Family Influenced His View of Leadership
05:51 Where Scores Help Us (and Hurt Us)
10:39 What Are Some 'Outer Scoreboards' We Can Be Tempted To Fall For?
13:15 About Envy
14:23 You Have to Start By Leading Yourself
15:21 How to Be More Self-Aware
18:35 Learning How To Listen To Contrarian Feedback
21:15 What Holds Us Back?
22:54 Fear as Fuel
28:57 A Unique Way to Identify Your Core Values
32:27 What's The Quick Hack to Grow As a Leader?
35:41 Applying Leadership Ideas at Home
39:49 Interview Wrap Up
40:24 Andy Comments After the Interview
43:38 Outtakes

Learn More

You can learn more about Ryan, his book, and the Learning Leader podcast at LearningLeader.com.

If you’d like more on this subject, here are some episodes to check out:

Episode 391, with Adam Bryan about making the leap to being a leader
Episode 242, with James Clear about his book on habits

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Talent Triangle: Power Skills

The following music was used for this episode:

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Music: Tuesday by Sascha Ende
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PPP 410 | How to Grow Excellence In Yourself and Those You Lead, with Ryan Hawk

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PPP 410 | How to Grow Excellence In Yourself and Those You Lead, with Ryan Hawk