@nostalgebraist has recently posted yet another thought-provoking post, this one on how we should feel about AI ruling a long-term posthuman future. [Previous discussion of this same post on lesswrong.] His post touches on some of the themes of Joe Carlsmith's “Otherness and Control in the Age of AI” series—a series which I enthusiastically recommend—but nostalgebraist takes those ideas much further, in a way that makes me want to push back.

Nostalgebraist's post is casual, trying to reify and respond to a “doomer” vibe, rather than responding to specific arguments by specific people. Now, I happen to self-identify as a “doomer” sometimes. (Is calling myself a “doomer” bad epistemics and bad PR? Eh, I guess. But also: it sounds cool.) But I too have plenty of disagreements with others in the “doomer” camp (cf: “Rationalist (n.) Someone who disagrees with Eliezer Yudkowsky”.). Maybe nostalgebraist and I have common ground? [...]

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Outline:

(01:17) 1. The “notkilleveryoneism” pitch is not about longtermism, and that's fine

(03:31) 1.1 …But now let's get back to the longtermist stuff

(04:13) 2. Cooperation does not require kindness

(07:54) 3. “Wanting some kind of feeling of friendship, compassion, or connection to exist at all in the distant future” seems (1) important, (2) not the “conditioners” thing, (3) not inevitable

(11:02) 4. “Strong orthogonality” (= the counting argument for scheming) isn’t (or at least, shouldn’t be) a strong generic argument for doom, but rather one optional part of a discussion that gets into the weeds

(16:33) 5. Yes you can make Hume's Law / moral antirealism sound silly, but that doesn’t make it wrong.

The original text contained 4 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.

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First published:
May 29th, 2024

Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/8YhjpgQ2eLfnzQ7ec/response-to-nostalgebraist-proudly-waving-my-moral

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“Response to nostalgebraist: proudly waving my moral-antirealist battle flag” by Steven Byrnes

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“Response to nostalgebraist: proudly waving my moral-antirealist battle flag” by Steven Byrnes