This podcast episode explores the intricate relationship between race and identity in Brazil and the United States, using personal stories and systemic policies like affirmative action as a backdrop. By contrasting Lou Oliveira's American insights on race with Julia's Brazilian perspective, the conversation reveals the deep historical and social factors that shape racial identity. The episode critiques Brazil's affirmative action system, highlighting unintended consequences, such as the struggles with racial self-identification faced by individuals like Pedro, who grapple with societal expectations in their search for belonging. Ultimately, it emphasizes the transformative potential of affirmative action while encouraging a broader dialogue about racial representation and identity in a diverse society.