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This podcast episode explores the evolution and impact of DevOps, emphasizing collaboration and breaking down the wall between development and operations. The integration of AI in software engineering is also discussed, with a focus on time-saving and advisory tasks. The tradeoff between abstraction and understanding in AI assistants and automation is highlighted, along with the challenges and benefits of AI in productivity and software engineering. The future implications and challenges of incorporating AI in workflows are explored, including the potential shift towards English as the programming language. The episode concludes with conversations on the challenges and testing of AI applications, the importance of observability and validation, and the resources available for learning AI and DevSecOps. Overall, the podcast delves into the changing landscape of software engineering, the impact of AI, and the need for software engineers to adapt and develop new skills. Takeaways • DevOps is an extension of Agile, emphasizing collaboration and breaking down the wall between development and operations teams. • Platform engineering can be more effective when adopting a collaborative and inclusive approach, embedding platform engineers within feature teams. • AI can enhance the automation and delivery aspects of DevOps, acting as a co-pilot during development and improving the reliability and scalability of AI systems. • AI can streamline and automate tasks in software development, including time-saving, advisory, and collaborative tasks. • Balancing abstraction and understanding is crucial in AI assistants and automation, as a deeper understanding of the systems being worked with is necessary for troubleshooting and reacting to failures. • Incorporating AI into workflows can improve productivity but requires a balanced approach and an understanding of the limitations and risks. • The future of software engineering may involve using English as the programming language, emphasizing the need for strong language skills and effective communication of requirements. • Software engineers need to adapt and develop new skills, particularly in integration, testing, and validation of AI systems, to stay ahead in the evolving landscape. • Testing AI applications can be challenging, requiring new methods such as observability, integration testing, and end-to-end testing. • Specialized techniques and verifications are needed for testing AI applications, including content filters for AI-generated content. • Additional resources and learning opportunities are available, including a course on AI DevSecOps, the speaker's online presence, and informative content on their YouTube channel.
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