This podcast episode features a conversation between painter Licia Scavage and filmmaker Tamara Jenkins, who met in 1996 and became friends. The episode explores their respective artistic careers, including Scavage's figurative paintings exhibited in museums worldwide and Jenkins' films like "Slums of Beverly Hills" and "The Savages." They discuss the challenges and rewards of being female artists and share their experiences with infertility, which influenced Jenkins' film "Private Life." The episode also delves into the early artistic influences of Scavage and how childhood experiences shaped her decision to become a painter. Overall, the episode highlights the importance of finding one's artistic voice and staying true to it despite criticism and obstacles.