This podcast episode explores the impact of AI on the software industry, specifically focusing on the Devon project. The hosts discuss the limitations and skepticism surrounding the capabilities of AI software engineers like Devon. They also highlight the current state of AI, its potential impact on the job market and human involvement in the software engineering process. The episode examines the limitations of AI in solving complex problems and creating original works of art, as well as its impact on creativity and programming. The speakers emphasize the importance of adapting to new technologies and the need for controlled training in using AI tools like Copilot. They also discuss the challenges of integrating AI with Elixir programming and the impact of AI on the open-source community. The episode concludes with a discussion on the potential consequences of closed source software. Overall, it explores the various facets of AI's influence on the software industry and highlights the importance of understanding its limitations and implications.