This podcast episode explores the importance of VO2max in winning races and the various perspectives and approaches to VO2max training. The speakers discuss the significance of understanding and correctly measuring metrics related to VO2max, as well as the relationship between anaerobic capacity and maximum oxygen consumption. They emphasize the role of interval training in optimizing athlete performance and highlight the importance of individualization in designing effective VO2max training programs. The conversation also delves into the concept of high-intensity interval training (HIIT), the benefits of micro intervals, and the complexities of interval training for different cycling demands. The section concludes by discussing the mental aspects of training, the importance of specificity in interval training, and effective training strategies for different cycling disciplines.