This podcast episode explores the changing landscape of web development and the increasing need for developers to have knowledge of server management. It discusses the rising costs of hosting services and the decreasing feasibility of serverless computing as a solution. The benefits of bare metal hosting and Kubernetes for infrastructure are also highlighted. The episode delves into the role of Kubernetes in managing containers efficiently and its ability to provide scalability and resiliency. It discusses the different levels of virtualization and containerization used in cloud computing and the challenges of achieving maximum uptime. The conversation also touches on the potential of WebAssembly as an alternative to containers and its diverse applications. The episode concludes with discussions on infrastructure as code and the benefits of using tools like Terraform. It introduces the Golem Cloud project and its potential for durable execution using WebAssembly.