This podcast episode features a conversation with the co-founders of Notion, Ivan Zhao, Simon Last, and Akshay Kothari. The co-founders discuss their early collaboration, the challenges they faced, and the evolution of Notion into a productivity software. They emphasize their dedication to creating a better productivity tool, their obsession with solving a big problem, and their relentless pursuit of product-market fit. The importance of user feedback, customer support, and system design in product development is highlighted. The founders also discuss the complexities of building a general-purpose tool while catering to specific use cases and personas. The conversation touches on decision-making, trade-offs, company values, and the role of AI in the future of work. The podcast concludes with insights into the daily routines of Ivan and Simon.