Behavioral Karma: The 5 Scientific Laws of Life and Leadership* is the book that was just recently published by Brett DiNovi and Dr. Pauli Gavoni.

In this episode, we talked about what these five laws are, and how one can apply them to just about anything in life, and see positive outcomes as a result.

Because both of these gentlemen are previous guests on the show, we started off by catching up a bit. Paulie talked about joining up with Brett's company, Brett DiNovi and Associates, and Brett talked about how he and the rest of the folks at BDA responded to the challenges brought on by the coronavirus pandemic.

I also had a chance to pick their brains on a topic that I'm fascinated with: Compensating employees in a Pay-for-Performance model, an idea pioneered by William Abernathy (you can find all the books he wrote on this topic here*).

All and all, this was a fun and wide ranging discussion, and I think listeners will be able to get some neat takeaways from it.

Here are some links to some of the things that came up in conversation:

Brett's first appearance on the show.
Pauli's first appearance on the show.
Hoosier Association for Behavior Analysis.
BDA's YouTube Channel, Behavioral Karma.
The Behavioral Karma Podcast, hosted by Billy Brown and Paulie Gavoni.
Fighting Words in ABA (Pauli's article on BSci21.org).
Pauli's LinkedIn page.
Brett's LinkedIn page.
The Performance Diagnostic Checklist (Carr et al., 2013).
Brett's interview of me at HABA 2018.

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