This podcast episode explores Kit Downes' musical evolution through his three ECM albums: Obsidian, Dream Life of Debris, and Vermillion. Each album showcases Downes' ability to challenge himself and collaborate with exceptional musicians, resulting in innovative and boundary-pushing music. The episode delves into the dynamics of Downes' piano trio with Petter Eldh and James Maddren, highlighting their long-standing bond, mutual respect, and playful interplay. The importance of collaboration, informed compromise, and embracing risk-taking in music is emphasized. The impact of the recording space, the Auditorio Stelio Molo, on the sound of the album is also discussed. Overall, this episode reveals the power of fearless exploration, openness, and collaboration in creating unique and inspiring music.