You’ve been told a hundred times that if you’re not starting a business, you’re falling behind. And yet the idea of ditching your paycheck for “the hustle” can feel equal parts exciting and terrifying. If you’re stuck in that spiral of “Should I build something or stay put?” this episode is going to feel uncomfortably relatable in the best way.

Omar meets up with Ramit Sethi in Tokyo for an in-person interview, and it feels extra special because it’s not just a random sit-down. Omar’s been following Ramit’s work since the early blog days, so there’s real history and curiosity behind the questions. Together they get into when starting a business actually fits your personality and goals, and when the smarter move is building wealth through your career and long-term investing. You’ll also hear how both of them think about a “rich life” in a way that’s way more real than the usual internet noise.

If you’re ready to stop guessing and start thinking like someone who’s serious about building a richer life, click play at the top of the page and hear what really separates “starting a business” from building real wealth your way.