Tonight, the second episode of Hacks Season 5 comes out and with it, we are one step closer to the bittersweet end of a delightful show that has been running since pandemic times. In this episode Deborah Vance and the cast headed to New York City and for The Run-Through episode, the real Deborah—Jean Smart—sat down with Chloe in the studio to talk about what it’s been like to be Deborah for five seasons and what comes next.

“I definitely feel more like her. Or, she feels more like me,” Smart said of her character, “I mean, we look a lot alike.” She also alluded to the sarcastic sense of humor which she and Deborah both possess. As for where they differ, Smart noted that she doesn’t grapple with the same anger, bitterness, and distrust that fuels many of Deborah’s choices. “That's sort of been her fuel for many, many years and I think she starts to learn to give that up this season,” Smart observed.

Smart will miss a lot of aspects of Hacks, not least of which are Deborah’s vast and fabulous wardrobe and her tastefully designed home. “I’m a little bit of a pack rat,” Jean confessed in regards to saving clothes from over the years, though she doesn’t have nearly the level of organization that exists within Debroah’s wardrobe warehouse, which we glimpsed in Season 4. She was hesitant to speak on whether she took any of the clothes from set but she proudly declared that she took the drapes from Deborah’s home. “And I would do it again. There! I said it!”

Of course, besides the clothes, Smart is certainly going to miss working with Hannah Einbinder who she deeply admires. She also credited her with broadening her understanding of Gen-Z. “I'm definitely more woke after meeting Ms. Einbinder.” Smart is

Also on today’s episode Chioma was joined by British Vogue’s Radhika Seth to talk about the BV goings on. Today the Charli XCX cover is out, as is Radhika’s story with the leads of Apple TV’s Margo’s Got Money Troubles, Elle Fanning and Michelle Pfeiffer. They also talk about the new season of Euphoria, the news around the upcoming season of White Lotus, and a few Vogue and Teen Vogue staffers give us their dispatches from Coachella weekend.

The Run-Through with Vogue is your go-to podcast where fashion meets culture. Hosted by Chloe Malle, Head of Editorial Content, Vogue U.S.; Chioma Nnadi, Head of British Vogue; and Nicole Phelps, Director of Vogue Runway, each episode features the latest fashion news and exclusive designer and celebrity interviews.

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Jean Smart Talks The Bittersweet End of Hacks | PLUS Charli XCX's First British Vogue Cover

The Run-Through with Vogue