What if one of the most influential figures in modern technology had almost ignored the opportunity that would define his career?

In this episode, I sit down with Werner Vogels, Chief Technology Officer at Amazon, to explore the story behind Amazon Web Services as it marks its 20th anniversary, and how a near-dismissed phone call turned into a front-row seat to one of the biggest shifts in computing history.

Werner takes me back to the early days when Amazon was still seen as "just a bookstore," and shares what he discovered when he first stepped inside what he calls Amazon's "technology kitchen." What he found was a company solving problems at a scale that commercial software simply could not handle, forcing them to build everything themselves. That mindset would go on to shape everything from Dynamo to the foundations of modern cloud infrastructure.

We also unpack the thinking behind one of the most important shifts in enterprise technology, the move from upfront licensing to pay-as-you-go. It sounds obvious now, but at the time it challenged how the entire industry operated, giving businesses the ability to experiment, scale, and take control of their own costs in ways that were not possible before.

Looking ahead, Werner offers a refreshing perspective on AI and what he describes as a developer renaissance. While many headlines focus on replacement, he sees AI as a tool that amplifies human capability, placing even greater importance on curiosity, ownership, and collaboration. It is a reminder that while tools will continue to evolve, responsibility and decision-making still sit firmly with the people using them.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone building, leading, or investing in technology. It connects the dots between past, present, and what comes next, showing how today's AI wave echoes the same patterns that shaped the cloud revolution.

So as we look toward the next era of computing, the question is simple, are we ready to think at the scale required to build what comes next?

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