Chuck Todd dives into the Supreme Court's latest ruling further hollowing out the Voting Rights Act and walks through what it actually means in practice — including the very real possibility that several Southern states will now try to redistrict, creating a messy political landscape that won't necessarily benefit Republicans in the way they hope. He traces the history back to the 1990s Georgia reapportionment that led to major GOP pickups by packing Black Democratic voters into fewer districts, but warns this round of Southern redistricting will create more swing districts. He uses the moment to make the case for what he sees as the real structural fix to America's representation crisis: uncapping the House of Representatives to allow it to grow with population the way the founders originally intended, with Madison himself arguing the chamber would always need to expand. He argues that a bigger House would lower the barrier for third parties, minimize the outsized impact of the Electoral College, dramatically reduce the incentive to gerrymander — and crucially, this change wouldn't exclusively benefit either party. His framing is simple: stop fighting over the chairs at the table and increase the size of the table itself. He then pivots to what he calls the rise of the "woke right" — citing the second Comey indictment as exhibit A, noting that the right has now embraced exactly the kind of oversensitivity they once accused the left of engaging in, and pointing out it's no accident that Pam Bondi wouldn't bring the Comey case but Todd Blanche will. He flags that the FCC's attacks on Jimmy Kimmel will badly backfire, dismisses the Hegseth congressional hearing as a useless exercise where everyone was just chasing viral moments, and argues that Hegseth himself is suffering from a bad case of "internet brain" — actively politicizing the military while failing to make a coherent case for why the Iran war was ever necessary. He closes with a pointed observation about the entire administration: nobody around Trump believes any criticism of him is ever valid, and they appear to genuinely think voters are stupid enough to never notice.

Then, Adam Green — co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee — joins the Chuck Toddcast to make the case that pragmatic economic populism is the Democratic Party's path back to a durable majority, and to push back hard on the conventional wisdom that "moderate" means "centrist." Green argues the public has lost faith in both political and economic systems and is hungry for candidates who tell a clear story about power — pointing to Maine's Graham Platner, Texas's James Talarico, and New York's Zohran Mamdani as examples of progressives who project authentic energy and pragmatic problem-solving rather than ideological purity. He contends that both major parties have already collapsed reputationally even if they haven't yet collapsed structurally, that Democrats could have passed a $12 minimum wage years ago if they'd been willing to compromise, and that recruiting 77-year-old Janet Mills against Platner is symbolic of everything wrong with Chuck Schumer's approach to the Senate. Green is blunt: if Democrats sweep the midterms but leadership remains unchanged, it actually hurts them in 2028 — a Democratic Senate majority should not be read as a validation of Schumer. They discuss why he Democratic brand is so damaged in red and rural states that independent candidates may be the best path to power in places like Montana and Nebraska, and that having someone like Platner in Senate leadership would dramatically improve Democratic performance in rural America.

The conversation digs into the deeper strategic and policy questions facing the party. Green argues Democrats should lead with economic alignment over cultural alignment and that Dems should not put reproductive rights forward as their headline issue if they want to rebuild trust in the heartland. He pushes for progressive lawmakers to assert real leverage against their own leadership, advocates lowering the threshold for discharge petition, and makes the case that getting rid of the filibuster would help Democrats rebuild trust with voters who are tired of seeing nothing get done. Green is open to limited cooperation with Trump if Democrats win both chambers but warns the party shouldn't trim its sails just to get a signature. He explains why the PCC backed Talarico over Crockett , names UAW president Shawn Fain as a potential dark-horse candidate, and floats Stephen Colbert as a genuinely intriguing possibility because performance matters in a media-saturated era. Green argues Talarico, Platner, and Abdul El-Sayed all tell a coherent story about power that voters are hungry to hear, but ultimately, the candidate who runs as a genuine disruptor is the one most likely to win, because the current system is so visibly failing the public.

Finally, he answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment, weighs in on the DNC choosing NOT to release their 2024 autopsy, and reacts to the expansion on the NCAA basketball tournament.

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Timeline:

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00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction

01:30 Supreme Court further hollows out the Voting Rights Act

03:00 You may see several states in the south try to redistrict

06:00 We have a serious representation issue in congress

07:30 In the 90’s Georgia reapportionment led to major GOP pickups

09:00 Led to more black Dems in congress, but less Dems in congress

10:00 Redistricting won’t be clean for GOP in this political climate

10:30 Redistricting will create more swing districts in the south

12:15 You may see racially charged Dem primaries in new districts

13:45 Uncapping the House of Representatives could solve this issue

14:15 House expanded based on population growth

16:15 Right now the house is not representative of the people

17:45 Multi-member districts also provide better representation

19:00 Bigger house would create less need for gerrymandering

20:00 Expanding house would minimize the impact of electoral college

21:30 Expanded house would lower barrier to entry for third parties

23:00 The house was always meant to be a bit messy

23:30 Madison argued the house was always going to have to expand

25:00 This change wouldn’t exclusively benefit one party

26:00 Don’t fight over the chairs, increase the size of the table

28:00 The “woke right” has emerged, evidenced by Comey indictment

29:30 Right accused the left of the oversensitivity they’re engaged in now

31:00 Attacks by the FCC on Kimmel will backfire and look terrible

33:15 Not an accident that Bondi wouldn’t bring Comey case & Blanche will

34:15 Hegseth’s hearing was useless, everyone wanted a viral moment

35:30 Hegseth is suffering from a bad case of “internet brain”

36:30 Hegseth is doing everything he can to politicize the military

37:15 Hegseth failed to make the case for why the war was necessary

39:00 Nobody in the administration believes that any criticism is valid

40:15 Do they really think the voters are all stupid?

46:30 Adam Green (Progressive Change Committee) joins The Chuck ToddCast

49:00 What does it mean to be a pragmatic progressive?

50:15 The mission is to show economic populism can win in swing races

51:30 Graham Platner is a great storyteller, not a policy wonk

53:00 Several progressive candidates project strong masculine energy

54:30 Balancing incrementalism vs. progress

55:15 Mamdani is showing that you can be both progressive & pragmatic

56:15 Misconception is that “moderate” means centrist

57:00 The progressives are demanding a rebalancing of the power dynamics

57:30 Public doesn’t trust the political and economic system, wants change

58:15 How vulnerable are both parties to collapse at some point?

59:00 Both parties have collapsed reputationally, just not structurally

1:00:45 Dems could have passed $12 minimum wage if they compromised

1:03:00 If Dems sweep midterms but leaders stay the same, it’s bad for 2028

1:03:45 If Dems win the senate, it’s not a validation of Schumer

1:05:00 If Dems elect the non Schumer candidates, he has to go

1:05:45 Schumer was a really good leader… until he wasn’t

1:06:30 Recruiting 77 year old Janet Mills is symbolic of Schumer’s strategy

1:07:15 Sherrod Brown is probably the best Dems can do in Ohio

1:07:45 Iowa is overindexed as a swing state

1:09:30 Michigan having El-Sayed & Slokin would show multiple ways to win

1:10:30 If El-Sayed loses, does that set the progressive movement back?

1:12:00 Are independents the best route to power in Montana & Nebraska?

1:13:00 The Democratic brand is shot in most red & rural states

1:14:15 If Platner was in leadership, Dems would do better in rural states

1:15:30 What matters more to the PCC, economic or cultural alignment?

1:17:15 Democrats shouldn’t put out reproductive rights as their banner issue

1:18:00 Big Dem wins in the past came from economic, not cultural alignment

1:20:15 Jared Golden able to vote against trans sports bill, focused on economics

1:22:30 Want to see progressives assert leverage against their leadership

1:23:30 Proposal to lower the threshold for discharge petitions

1:24:15 Discharge petitions would actually liberate the leadership a bit

1:25:30 When too many items are stuffed into a bill, you don’t get credit for them

1:26:30 Getting rid of the filibuster would help Democrats rebuild trust

1:27:30 Both parties only like the filibuster when they’re out of power

1:29:00 Getting rid of stock trading isn’t as simple as it sounds

1:30:45 Spouses need to be included in stock trading ban

1:31:30 If Dems win both houses, where should they work with Trump?

1:32:45 Dems will be elected to be a check on Trump, but need his signature

1:35:45 Working with Trump requires abandoning the ideas you ran on

1:37:00 Dems shouldn’t trim their sails in order to work with Trump

1:39:30 PCC supported Talarico over Crockett for his bold economic vision

1:42:00 AOC may need to run for president soon, before her “sell by” date

1:42:45 Stephen Colbert could be an intriguing candidate, performance matters

1:44:00 Mamdani takes time every day to tell a story on social media

1:45:15 Shawn Fain could also make a strong candidate

1:46:30 If Talarico wins in Texas, it could put him on the presidential map

1:48:15 Talarico as VP to get his sea legs could be a potential route

1:49:00 McMorrow positioning herself as the “goldilocks” candidate

1:49:45 Being the shake up the system candidate is the way to go

1:50:30 Talarico, Platner & El-Sayed tell a story about power

1:51:15 The current system is failing the public

1:53:15 Preference between Steyer or Porter in California?

1:54:30 AOC raises the most money because people trust her

1:57:30 Ask Chuck

1:57:45 Experienced wildfires, in bad conditions there’s nothing you can do

1:59:00 What do you make of Hegseth purging so many top generals?

2:01:00 Props for “Dynastic” podcast

2:03:00 How do you see the US/Israel dynamic play out post-Trump?

2:06:30 Do you see a path forward for statehood for D.C. & Puerto Rico?

2:10:15 Why don’t interviewers press Lindsey Graham on his post J6 remarks?

2:13:00 Should Democrats be more forceful rhetorically or does that do more harm?

2:17:15 Ken Martin appears on Pod Save to explain why they won’t release ‘24 autopsy

2:18:30 Autopsy could have offended a particular set of donors or supporters

2:19:45 How do you learn lessons from the loss if you don’t share those lessons?

2:20:30 NCAA expanding basketball tournament

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