Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we discuss why bitcoin is decoupling from software stocks, how it wins in both inflationary and deflationary environments, and the five scarcity-driven investment baskets Jordi is tracking right now. We also get into the AI agents shift, why public companies are struggling to adopt AI, and how to position a portfolio in a world of shortages.

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0:00 - Intro
0:54 - Bitcoin vs. software stocks decoupling?
5:43 - Inflation vs. deflation & what it means for bitcoin
12:35 - The 5 thematic investment baskets
23:27 - Real-time information & podcasts vs reading
33:27 - AI security, hacking & what it means for bitcoin
36:15 - Anthropic vs. OpenAI vs. Meta — the model race
42:15 - Contracted annual run rate & the revenue illusion
45:35 - Jordi's scarcity trader worldview
49:03 - The fourth turning, politics & generational change

Why Bitcoin WINS No Matter What Happens to Inflation | Jordi Visser

The Pomp Podcast