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How markets, law, and technology are reshaping sovereignty. With Quinn Slobodian.

Where does power really reside today?

If capitalism no longer operates within the boundaries of nation-states, what happens to democracy? Who governs a world shaped by tax havens, special economic zones, and private infrastructures? And what if some of the most influential actors are no longer trying to win political power, but to escape it altogether?

In this conversation with historian Quinn Slobodian, we explore the deeper logic behind neoliberalism, the rise of “exit” politics, and the growing fragmentation of sovereignty.

A discussion about the shifting relationship between capital and democracy, and what it means for the future of our political systems.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to the Conversation

02:00 - Understanding Historical Contexts

05:03 - Power Dynamics in Modern Capitalism

08:09 - The Evolution of Capitalism and Political Economy

12:09 - The Role of Neoliberalism

20:59 - The Intersection of Democracy and Capitalism

30:05 - Special Economic Zones and Global Capitalism

36:32 - Capitalist Utopias and Economic Zones

39:08 - The Rise of Neoliberalism in the 1970s

44:03 - International Economic Law and Capitalist Rights

50:40 - The European Union: A Competing Vision

53:00 - Debt as Political Discipline

01:01:03 - Trumpism: A New Political Experiment

01:11:53 - Neoliberalism and Geoeconomics

01:17:07 - Understanding Empire and Power Dynamics

01:23:36 - Muskism: A New Economic Paradigm?

01:27:31 - Ecological Stress and Energy Limits

01:35:37 - The Future of Nation-States and Democracy

Recorded on January 12, 2026

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