Friend of the show and fellow Defector comrade Patrick Redford is on the public feed for the first time! This week, we're talking about ~intentional living communities and their alternative sources of protein.

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PSA: This is the season four FINALE! We're going to take a quick break to tour around the country (see you there?!) and then we'll be back for season 5.

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