What happens when you send a manic pixie dream girl to CSI summer camp? Journalist, writer, law school graduate, and podcast host Josie Duffy Rice joins us to find out 👀

Check out Josie's podcast: Unreformed: the Story of the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Children.

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