How to Navigate the Shifting International Order

The podcast explores the shifting dynamics of the international world order, particularly the transatlantic relationship, with Finnish President Alexander Stubb. Stubb addresses the American perspective on the current global order, marked by a sense of exploitation, and contrasts it with the benefits the U.S. has derived from establishing the liberal international order post-World War II. He distinguishes between Mark Carney's view of a "rupture" and his own perspective of a "transition," advocating for reforming international institutions to include more countries from Latin America, Africa, and Asia. The discussion covers the complexities of dealing with Russia, especially concerning Ukraine, and the durability of Chinese support for Russia amidst the war. Stubb also highlights the necessity of interdependence rather than de-risking, advocating for a balanced approach to global power dynamics.