Tom Digan & Greg Stewart - Building the World’s Best Fitness App - [Invest Like the Best, EP.454] | Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Ladder's journey to becoming the number one strength training app is explored, highlighting the company's near-death experience and subsequent pivot. Co-founders Tom Digan and Greg Stewart discuss their relentless focus on customer needs, prioritizing empirical data over conventional fitness industry wisdom. They detail early struggles, including negotiating with creditors and selling personal assets to keep the company afloat. A key turning point involved cracking the TikTok algorithm, which fueled significant growth. Stewart emphasizes ruthlessly prioritizing features based on member feedback and focusing on workout completion. The discussion also touches on future opportunities like integrating nutrition and supplements, and expanding into broader health and fitness markets.

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Part 1: AI and Enterprise Infrastructure

Part 2: The Ladder Origin Story and Survival

Part 3: Product Validation and Customer Insights

Part 4: Growth Strategy and Marketing Mastery

Part 5: Future Vision and AI Integration

Part 6: Reflections and Conclusion

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Tom Digan & Greg Stewart - Building the World’s Best Fitness App - [Invest Like the Best, EP.454]

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Part 1: AI and Enterprise Infrastructure

RAMP's AI Automates Finance Tasks, Freeing Teams for Strategic Thinking

Rogo: AI Platform Purpose-Built for Wall Street

WorkOS: Streamlining Enterprise Readiness for AI and Software Companies

Part 2: The Ladder Origin Story and Survival

Ladder's Origin Story: From Angel Investment to Strength Training App

Ladder's Success: Engineering-First Approach and Customer Understanding

Ladder 1.0 vs. 2.0: From Managed Marketplace to Software Solution

Personal Sacrifices and the Darkest Points in Ladder's Early Years

Greg's Decision to Join Ladder: A Perfect Storm of Opportunity and Team

Early Days: Balancing Debt Collection with Product Development

Navigating Uncertainty: Pitching Investors While Reinventing the Business

Part 3: Product Validation and Customer Insights

Discovering the Customer: Personalization Isn't the Secret

Testing the Concept: Group Programming and Social Accountability

Validating the Concept: Customer Interviews and Pain Points

Nutrition Integration: Addressing a Key Customer Need

Nutrition: Easy Tracking and Prescriptive Advice

Avoiding Product Feedback from Investors

Part 4: Growth Strategy and Marketing Mastery

Greg's "Cave-Like" Processes: Deep Dives into Business Bottlenecks

Cracking the Code: Growing Through TikTok

Winning the Video Game: Creative Control and Customer Insight

Expanding Beyond Short-Form Video: Brand Awareness and Strategic Partnerships

Part 5: Future Vision and AI Integration

Building a Consumer Business: Fun, Impactful, and Incredibly Hard

Customer-Driven Development and the Impact of GLP-1s

AI Integration: Enhancing the Human Experience at Scale

Saying No: Prioritizing Core Objectives and Long-Term Vision

Long-Term Vision: The System of Record for Health and Fitness

User Expansion: Reaching a Wider Audience

Part 6: Reflections and Conclusion

Evolving Investor Relationships: From Cash Needs to Strategic Partnerships

Gratitude: Acknowledging the Support of Wives and Fathers

Closing Remarks and Sponsor Mentions

Tom Digan & Greg Stewart - Building the World’s Best Fitness App - [Invest Like the Best, EP.454]

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Part 1: AI and Enterprise Infrastructure

00:00RAMP's AI Automates Finance Tasks, Freeing Teams for Strategic Thinking

RAMP's AI Automates Finance Tasks, Freeing Teams for Strategic Thinking

00:50Rogo: AI Platform Purpose-Built for Wall Street

Rogo: AI Platform Purpose-Built for Wall Street

02:24WorkOS: Streamlining Enterprise Readiness for AI and Software Companies

WorkOS: Streamlining Enterprise Readiness for AI and Software Companies

Part 2: The Ladder Origin Story and Survival

03:33Ladder's Origin Story: From Angel Investment to Strength Training App

Ladder's Origin Story: From Angel Investment to Strength Training App

07:27Ladder's Success: Engineering-First Approach and Customer Understanding

Ladder's Success: Engineering-First Approach and Customer Understanding

10:14Ladder 1.0 vs. 2.0: From Managed Marketplace to Software Solution

Ladder 1.0 vs. 2.0: From Managed Marketplace to Software Solution

14:47Personal Sacrifices and the Darkest Points in Ladder's Early Years

Personal Sacrifices and the Darkest Points in Ladder's Early Years

17:24Greg's Decision to Join Ladder: A Perfect Storm of Opportunity and Team

Greg's Decision to Join Ladder: A Perfect Storm of Opportunity and Team

19:37Early Days: Balancing Debt Collection with Product Development

Early Days: Balancing Debt Collection with Product Development

22:31Navigating Uncertainty: Pitching Investors While Reinventing the Business

Navigating Uncertainty: Pitching Investors While Reinventing the Business

Part 3: Product Validation and Customer Insights

25:54Discovering the Customer: Personalization Isn't the Secret

Discovering the Customer: Personalization Isn't the Secret

28:10Testing the Concept: Group Programming and Social Accountability

Testing the Concept: Group Programming and Social Accountability

30:22Validating the Concept: Customer Interviews and Pain Points

Validating the Concept: Customer Interviews and Pain Points

32:35Nutrition Integration: Addressing a Key Customer Need

Nutrition Integration: Addressing a Key Customer Need

35:26Nutrition: Easy Tracking and Prescriptive Advice

Nutrition: Easy Tracking and Prescriptive Advice

38:44Avoiding Product Feedback from Investors

Avoiding Product Feedback from Investors

Part 4: Growth Strategy and Marketing Mastery

40:19Greg's "Cave-Like" Processes: Deep Dives into Business Bottlenecks

Greg's "Cave-Like" Processes: Deep Dives into Business Bottlenecks

43:04Cracking the Code: Growing Through TikTok

Cracking the Code: Growing Through TikTok

47:52Winning the Video Game: Creative Control and Customer Insight

Winning the Video Game: Creative Control and Customer Insight

51:11Expanding Beyond Short-Form Video: Brand Awareness and Strategic Partnerships

Expanding Beyond Short-Form Video: Brand Awareness and Strategic Partnerships

Part 5: Future Vision and AI Integration

54:06Building a Consumer Business: Fun, Impactful, and Incredibly Hard

Building a Consumer Business: Fun, Impactful, and Incredibly Hard

56:25Customer-Driven Development and the Impact of GLP-1s

Customer-Driven Development and the Impact of GLP-1s

58:24AI Integration: Enhancing the Human Experience at Scale

AI Integration: Enhancing the Human Experience at Scale

1:02:22Saying No: Prioritizing Core Objectives and Long-Term Vision

Saying No: Prioritizing Core Objectives and Long-Term Vision

1:04:54Long-Term Vision: The System of Record for Health and Fitness

Long-Term Vision: The System of Record for Health and Fitness

1:07:21User Expansion: Reaching a Wider Audience

User Expansion: Reaching a Wider Audience

Part 6: Reflections and Conclusion

1:09:35Evolving Investor Relationships: From Cash Needs to Strategic Partnerships

Evolving Investor Relationships: From Cash Needs to Strategic Partnerships

1:12:22Gratitude: Acknowledging the Support of Wives and Fathers

Gratitude: Acknowledging the Support of Wives and Fathers

1:14:46Closing Remarks and Sponsor Mentions

Closing Remarks and Sponsor Mentions