Most founders are terrified of "Red Oceans" or markets saturated with massive competitors. They think the only way to win is to find a completely untapped "Blue Ocean."

In this episode of the ProductLed 100 series, Wes Bush sits down with Patrick Thompson (CEO of Clarify.ai) and Esben Friis-Jensen (Co-Founder of Userflow) to discuss why entering a crowded market is actually the smartest move a founder can make if you have the right strategy.

Patrick reveals how he spent six months interviewing potential customers before writing a single line of code for Clarify, an autonomous CRM designed to disrupt the industry giants. Together with Esben, they break down the exact framework for validating problems, the power of business model disruption through pricing wars, and why "feature parity" is not the goal.

Whether you are building a new startup or trying to carve out space in a competitive category, this episode offers a masterclass in customer discovery, positioning, and Go-To-Market execution.

Key Highlights:

02:15 : Why Patrick spent 6 months on discovery before writing a line of code

06:53 : The "Red Ocean" Advantage: Why crowded markets are easier than Blue Oceans

10:10 : How to differentiate when features are commoditized

12:34 : Using price and ease of use as a wedge against incumbents

18:31 : The 3-Step Framework for building what people want: ICP, Channels, and Business Model

23:12 : Which acquisition channels actually work (Product Hunt vs. Founder-led Marketing) 30:04 : Why complex products still need human onboarding, even in PLG

36:49 : How to operationalize customer feedback for engineering teams

Resources:

📧 Clarify.ai : The Autonomous CRM

💼 Connect with Patrick Thompson on LinkedIn

💼 Connect with Wes Bush on LinkedIn

📝 Founder Therapy : Patrick's Substack

💼 Connect with Esben Friis-Jensen on LinkedIn

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