This podcast episode explores the psychological and ethical implications of Mars colonization through the lens of CHAPEA, a NASA-funded mission that simulates a Martian habitat for four ordinary people. The episode discusses the challenges of isolation, confinement, and communication delays that astronauts may face on a real Martian mission. It also highlights the personal stories of Alissa Shannon and Nathan Jones, two individuals selected for the mission, and the impact on their families. While CHAPEA aims to provide insights into the psychological challenges of long-duration space missions, experts raise concerns about the limitations of simulation experiments and the ethical implications of Mars colonization, questioning the ultimate goal of creating a utopia that is not human.