This podcast episode features a conversation with Chris Urmson, the CEO of Aurora Innovation, discussing his experiences with the DARPA Grand Challenge and the DARPA Urban Challenge. They highlight the belief in autonomous driving despite initial challenges, the technological advancements in autonomous vehicle systems, the importance of LiDAR, the challenges of level two autonomy, the communication of autonomous vehicle technology to the public, ensuring the safety of autonomous vehicles, and the adoption and deployment of autonomous vehicles. The episode concludes with a discussion on potential breakthroughs that could accelerate the development of self-driving cars.