This podcast episode explores the connection between psychology and neuroscience, emphasizing the importance of understanding how mental activity arises from neural activity. It touches on the limitations and contributions of psychology, with a focus on cognitive psychology and neuropsychology. The discussion also delves into the complexity of the prefrontal cortex and its role in brain function, as well as the relationship between artificial intelligence and the human brain. The concept of meta-learning and its implications in both the human brain and AI are explored. The conversation also touches on the importance of human-agent interaction in AI research and the need to consider human psychology and societal questions. Overall, the episode emphasizes the integration of psychology, neuroscience, and AI to gain a deeper understanding of the mind and create AI systems that enhance human life.