Terry Gross interviews Vanity Fair writer Chris Whipple about his profile of Susie Wiles, the White House Chief of Staff in the Trump administration. Whipple shares insights from his multiple interviews with Wiles, discussing her role, influence, and perspectives on key figures and policies within the administration. The conversation covers Wiles's views on Trump's behavior, cabinet appointments, the U.S. strikes on Venezuelan boats, and the Epstein files, as well as her relationships with figures like J.D. Vance and Elon Musk. The interview also touches on Wiles's perception of her role as an enabler versus a disciplinarian within the White House.
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