Welcome to this power-packed episode of The Programming Podcast featuring hosts Leon Noel and Danny Thompson with special guest Andy Wong. In this in‐depth conversation, the trio dives into what it really means to be a mature engineer—one who not only masters technical skills but also leads by advocating for junior engineers. They share personal experiences from diverse tech backgrounds (from startups and boot camps to big tech giants like Meta, Google, Amazon, and Wayfair), discuss the art of “two‐way door engineering” (making decisions that are reversible versus irreversible), and explore career strategy in an ever-evolving industry.

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Throughout this 73‑minute episode, you’ll hear about:

• Mentorship & Advocacy: How investing in your juniors and empowering teams can drive both personal and organizational success.

• Career Growth & Decision-Making: The importance of taking risks, learning iteratively, and knowing when a decision is reversible—what Andy calls “two‑way door engineering.”

• Navigating Different Work Cultures: The trade-offs between startup agility and the structure of big tech, including insights into job hopping and innovation.

• Work-Life Balance & Burnout Prevention: Real talk about managing your time, setting boundaries, and keeping the passion alive without burning out.

• Listener Q&A: A candid response to a listener’s question about whether it’s too late to start learning tech later in life.

If you’re passionate about personal growth, leadership in engineering, and practical career advice—all delivered with honesty, humor, and a genuine commitment to helping others—this episode is for you.

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Chapters

0:00 – Intro

1:16 – Meet the Hosts & Guest: Andy Wong

2:47 – Why Andy Was Requested (and Requested Himself)

4:10 – The Many Faces of Andy Wong

6:05 – The Boston Connection & Early Days

7:00 – Mentorship Through Wayfair & Lab Zero

10:46 – Teaching SQL and Explaining Backends

13:18 – Internal Advocacy and Following Up

15:20 – The Senior Engineer's Real Role: Advocacy

18:29 – Defining Seniority vs. Management

19:48 – Startups vs. Big Tech: Myths & Trade-offs

25:17 – Job-Hopping and Career Longevity

26:32 – Startups and the Illusion of Innovation

30:06 – The Power of Risk: Two-Way Door Engineering

33:32 – How Meta Encourages Fast Iteration

38:05 – Personal Risk Tolerance & Career Strategy

41:06 – Keeping Your Head on Straight

44:42 – Avoiding Burnout & Setting Boundaries

46:09 – The Grind for Early-Career Devs

50:58 – The Truth Behind 1:1s & Early Confidence

54:00 – You Don’t Need Permission to Grow

56:03 – Rest vs. Recovery: Knowing the Difference

58:17 – Motivation, Momentum & Being Petty

1:05:00 – Building Projects for Impact (and Spite)

1:08:03 – Too Old To Code?!

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