This podcast episode explores the concept of the Anti-Debate, a novel approach to discourse developed by Perspectiva, with a focus on improving the limitations of conventional debates. The speakers discuss the reasons why traditional debates are no longer fit for purpose, highlighting issues such as polarization and a disregard for truth-seeking. They propose the Anti-Debate as a more inclusive and participatory alternative that encourages a holistic understanding of complex issues. The episode delves into the evolution, facilitation process, and benefits of the Anti-Debate, emphasizing the importance of embracing complexity, exploring diverse perspectives, and fostering collective self-awareness. The podcast also discusses the challenges faced in scaling the Anti-Debate and counters the negative effects of social media on democratic legitimacy. Overall, the Anti-Debate is presented as a way to revolutionize discourse and create a space for meaningful and engaging interactions.