Lex Fridman interviews Michael Levin, exploring Levin's work on embodied minds, agency, and intelligence across biological and computational systems. Levin discusses the concept of "persuadability" as an engineering approach to understanding intelligence, arguing for the importance of behavioral science and mutual influence in interactions. They delve into the limitations of physics in fully understanding life and mind, proposing the idea of a "cognitive light cone" to measure agency. The conversation extends to unconventional intelligences, the nature of life, and the concept of a "platonic space" where patterns and minds exist beyond the physical world, influencing biological and computational systems. Levin shares insights on Anthrobots, Xenobots, and the potential for AI to help humans communicate with diverse minds, emphasizing the need for empirical experimentation and challenging traditional categories in science.
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