Ezra Klein interviews John Ganz about the rise of antisemitism on the American right, focusing on figures like Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson. Ganz explains Fuentes' background and the Groyper movement, highlighting their online presence and provocative rhetoric. The discussion explores how Trump's presidency and the loosening of social media restrictions have enabled these ideas to spread, with Carlson playing a key role in mainstreaming them. They analyze Carlson's interview with Fuentes, dissecting its antisemitic tropes and the broader implications for the Republican Party. The conversation touches on the complexities of anti-Zionism versus antisemitism, the generational divide within the conservative movement, and the potential dangers of ethno-state politics. They also discuss the role of the internet in fostering these ideologies and the challenges of combating them.
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