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Prof. Andreas Zeller - Faculty at CISPA Helmholtz Center for Information Security & Author of "The Debugging Book"
Clare Sudbery - Independent Technical Coach

RESOURCES
Andreas
https://bsky.app/profile/andreaszeller.bsky.social
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreaszeller
https://andreas-zeller.info

Clare
https://bsky.app/profile/claresudbery.bsky.social
https://www.madetech.com/podcast
https://insimpleterms.blog

Links
https://www.debuggingbook.org
https://github.com/uds-se/debuggingbook
https://www.st.cs.uni-saarland.de/dd

DESCRIPTION
Programming education has a critical blind spot: while we extensively teach code creation, we barely scratch the surface of testing and give almost no attention to debugging—despite debugging consuming half of all software development time.

In this conversation with Clare Sudbery, Prof. Andreas Zeller argues that systematic debugging skills and modern automated debugging tools are the "ugly stepchild" of programming that nobody wants to discuss, yet debugging represents the biggest business risk and time sink in software development. As AI-driven coding becomes more prevalent, this gap will only widen, making investment in proper debugging education and tools not just beneficial but essential for the future of software development.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Andreas Zeller • The Debugging Book • https://www.debuggingbook.org
Sy Brand • Building a Debugger • https://amzn.to/4cWWr84
Nora Sandler • Writing a C Compiler • https://amzn.to/3Z6SMhU
Bjarne Stroustrup • Programming: Principles and Practice Using C++ • https://amzn.to/3I5Q335

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The Debugging Book • Andreas Zeller & Clare Sudbery

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